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Post by captblicero on Jul 6, 2013 11:17:11 GMT -6
Welcome to the viewing party! Have a seat over there. No, not that chair -- don't put the drink there! Please don't step on the cat. Spaced is a British comedy from the late 90's and early 00's created by Jessica Stevenson and Simon Pegg and directed by Edgar Wright. There are only two seasons with 7 episodes each. Like every Pegg/Wright collaboration, it's fast paced with frenetic directing and loaded with pop culture references, which aren't mere spoken lines but entire sequences. It's about two young people, fresh off their respective break-ups, who move in together. The other characters are Tim's best friend Mike, a military nut; Daisy's best friend Twist (she's in fashion); the landlady Marsha, a mother of, "the devil in an A-cup"; and their neighbor Brian, who does ... paintings. We'll do two episodes a week and figure out what to do with the seventh episode soon (three at once probably.) The show is obviously a precursor to Community, but it's also an early version of Pegg/Wright films like Shaun of the Dead and Scott Pilgrim vs. the World (Pilgrim was only directed by Wright, of course, with no involvement from Pegg.) Find Spaced on Netflix instant and a variety of other sources. For "other" means, check out btv. For example, here's the first episode. Use the gorillavid link. Alternatively you can use free-tv. (Most of the links are crappy and should be avoided except gorillavid, putlocker, sockshare, and daclips.) The bay of pirates is also an option. Youtube even has every episode on this channel. First episode: Beginnings: Second episode: Gatherings: Now there are no excuses not to watch! If you don't I'll kill your entire family. Happy watching! Characters in case you're really bad with names: Tim Daisy Marsha Brian Mike Twist
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Post by digifreak642 on Jul 6, 2013 12:37:39 GMT -6
Todd reviewed the series a few years ago.When he did it he just did the season 1 finale and the season 2 premiere in the same week, so I vote we do it like that just to make it easier. I'll watch the first 2 episodes later today.
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Post by Stephen77 on Jul 6, 2013 15:26:08 GMT -6
I'm going to spend time with my little cousins tonight and maybe watch a movie with them but I should be able to watch these two episodes and participate in some of the discussion tomorrow or a little later next week.
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Post by captblicero on Jul 6, 2013 18:43:29 GMT -6
Beginnings: The first time I watched this it was hard to keep up, partly because of the pace, but partly because of the accents. The accents aren't extreme, but when they say the lines quickly and then it quickly cuts to another scene it's a bit discombobulating. The pilot is used well to introduce the audience to the show -- Daisy and Tim learn each other's backstories, but this is for the audience's benefit too. The new apartment also serves as an introduction to the Spaced universe, where scenes veer off into full-on parody within a split second. It's almost as if the apartment functions as a portal into Spaced itself. The twins in the closet are the first abrupt shift in dynamics and quite jarring. To a newcomer, this is probably striking, but this would be the shape of things to come.
The character of Tim is pretty obvious at this point (comic book, Star Wars-loving guy) but I do want to point out that he's a fleshed out person, rather than a series of tired stereotypes. He *gasp* can talk to women! Daisy, however, is a breath of fresh air on the TV landscape. Although it's common now, she's a clumsy, dorky woman who is not defined by who she's dating or what she looks like. There are a few antecedents in TV (Lucy, honestly, and Elaine in Seinfeld) but the 00's and the 10's were a decade of this archetype -- from Liz Lemon to Elliot Reid.
-The series begins tricking the audience into thinking Daisy/Tim were together, which is what they would do with Marsha. -"Dangling the carrot of possible reconciliation whilst riding some other ... donkey." -The Fred/Daphne gag is also pretty extreme. It's close to a live-action cartoon. -I really love Brian's off-putting introduction. He's a low-key character on a high-octane, silly, fast-paced show. "Are you gay?" *pause* "No...." -Pegg/Wright have talked a lot about how they love horror. The pilot has an eerie vibe to it, almost haunting, as if any second an ax murderer will wander in. -"I love you, Daisy Duke!" -"It's times like this I wish I was telepathic. Don't you, Tim?" "..." "Damn." -Their anniversary cover-story is utterly ridiculous in a pure sitcom way. -"So you had sex before you kissed?" -Brian partly obscures his face a lot, which is rare for TV. There often aren't any true introverts who aren't caricatures. -Without speaking, a call-back to an earlier joke: "That was close." "You're telling me."
Gatherings: Even though the episode is highly stylized and modern, a far cry from the American sitcoms of the 90's, it reuses many sitcom cliches. In this way it is an early version of Community, parsing pop culture through life while re-doing cliches. The second after is the "morning-after," literally, of the events of the pilot, and two people pretending to have sex by making noises have been done many times (like Frajer on his vacation.) Two people pretending to be a couple is also a weird but well-worn sitcom trope. The lightning-fast editing cartoon-like flexible reality make the show unique -- it's easy to see why it's called one of the most influential modern shows.
The house-warming party also serves as a way for the audience to meet the side characters. Marsha is a fairly even-keel character for such a wacky show; she's probably a necessary contrast. I also love how she has a screaming, virulent teenager locked-up upstairs, like some sort of demon ready to be unleashed on the masses. Brian is at the extreme end of this even-keel spectrum, and we learn more about his idiosyncrasies. He was seen painting a triptych named, "Bad Sandwich," and has an epic moment saving Daisy and Tim's fake coupling -- or at least it's shot like it's epic. Mike, Tim's buddy, is an inspired choice for a best friend, since the two appear to be nothing alike: a comic book nerd and a military nut, which (two friends unlike each other) does happen a lot in reality. You probably know Mike as the best friend in Shaun of the Dead, and the way he plays every situation like a military encounter is fantastic: he gives a landmine as a house-warning gift. Even though every character is different, Twist is herself distinct and nothing like anyone else. She's into "fashion" and much like Mike is to Tim there appears to be little reason as to why she should be friends with Daisy, except for inertia. As this is a seminal series for 20-somethings, the episode ends with the young adults walking up the stairs to the teenage party above, and youth is a shining white light like a door into the endless void.
-Daisy even just attempting to write is funny. There's a great joke looking at the clock, reminiscent of Big Pussy in the Sopranos trying real work. -If you live with a woman, you'll come to learn that many often consider throwing a social party as a solution for everything. -"There will be girls at the party." "Really?" "Yeah." "Mm." -I honestly forgot what happens to Daisy's boyfriend. -The fridge is Hal 9000. "It's almost as if it's--" "Self-aware." Cue ominous music. -Twist is playing with her nipples before Daisy answers the door. Is she ... trying to get them hard? Why? ...Fashion? -Marsha is introduced to Mike by Mike leaning out of a closet, smiling, and waving his gun. (The photo above for Mike.) This never fails to crack me up. -Great casting on the paperboy. Young, plump, and ... unfortunate-looking enough to make for a dire party. -I forgot that after the nice Time Warp character gag (they all have a different reaction to the song) Tim closes the door and reveals Mike, who has a gun in his mouth. Then Mike follows Tim out of the room "covering him" with the gun. I just love that.
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Post by digifreak642 on Jul 6, 2013 19:16:58 GMT -6
I agree with you on the accents. There were some things that I couldn't quite parse. For instance, I didn't know what Brian said after he was asked if he was gay.
Overall a good start to a sitcom. Beginnings mostly served to set up the series and introduce us to the main characters while Gatherings let us hang out with the full cast and watch them interact. I know that the "house party" plot is considered a cliche, but I don't really view it as one. It didn't feel forced to have all those characters in one place. I liked the music choices; they were all fun but the kind of song that you're sick of hearing so many times.
One thing I'm not on board with yet is the look of the show. It just looks ugly most of the time, especially the lighting. Maybe this is because I mainlined the first season of The Middle recently, one of the best looking sitcoms on the air right now. Hopefully I'll grow to like it.
So far I like all of the characters except for Marsha. Pegg's hair in the first episode was a little disconcerting, but either it got better or I got used to it. Daisy is definitely an interesting character and I look forward to seeing more of her. Brian feels like the oddest one in the group so it will be interesting to see if he becomes more normal as the show goes on or if he'll stay weird. Mike doesn't feel like a full character yet but my familiarity with Frost is helping me like him (Attack the Block ftw!). Twist is pretty.
From what I've heard the next batch of episodes is when the show goes crazy, so I look forward to that. Neither of these episodes were anything to write home about, but they showed potential. And with the talent attached to this show, I'm confident that potential will be fulfilled.
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Post by eric on Jul 6, 2013 21:01:21 GMT -6
The accents can be frustrating. I gave up the first time I tried to watch Spaced, but having it on Netflix Instant means subtitles, which help *so* much (though even the subtitles give up when Tim or Daisy starts talking too quickly and just say [inaudible], even though the dialogue is clearly audible).
These 2 episodes are not the best introduction to the show, IMO. They put all the characters together, but it's a little dank and "Gatherings" is unusually angsty. I mean, it's good that right off the bat Tim and Daisy are a little restless and unhappy with their lives, but it makes for a weird ep this early in the show's run. Especially since the ending where they go upstairs to Amber's party, which could feel hopeful, just kinda leaves us hanging. All in all, it really only works to set-up the coming eps, IMO.
Capt mentioned all the gags/references built out of visual style. Even though shows like Community and 30 Rock have prepared us for these quick shifts from reality into subjective humor and back, it's still disorienting at first. Some of these bits work great, like the demonstrative whip-pan between Daisy and Tim as she attempts to communicate with him psychically and he doesn't respond. Others, like The Shining and 2001 pastiches seemed to come out of nowhere and then disappear before they had a chance to resonate. I guess the Horror bits show how intimidating it can be for Tim and Daisy, moving and taking on a new stage of their lives, but I feel like these riffs become better integrated with the stories and characters as the show goes on. (I did really like Daisy's typing fit made to mirror the credits of Murder, She Wrote, though.)
Mike and Brian are definitely the characters who are funny right away. Kind of like Dwight on The Office, their oddness is comic straight off, while Tim and Daisy (like Michael, Jim and Pam) take time to learn to like and understand.
The show does feel kinda "ugly", or at least very droll and unglamorous. It's really a trip to see two very average looking central characters, excited about a flat that's probably the smallest central location in sitcom history, and before they even have a chance to win us over or establish any long-term goals or distinctive talents Tim and Daisy are already being annoying, pathetic and cold to each other in the first 2 eps! All these things are like the total opposite of what I've come to expect from American TV.
I hate to keep comparing these early episodes to ones we haven't watched yet, but these two really come off much better to me having seen the rest of the show. The first time I watched them, they were funny but just so plain and dour. Now with the benefit of hindsight, Tim and Daisy's meeting is very cute, and their getting on each other's nerves in grating ways is a very believable base for two substantial, lively characters to be built off (like Capt said, they're more well-rounded than their "stereotypes" might indicate.)
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Post by janetsnakehole on Jul 8, 2013 1:54:13 GMT -6
Spaced charmed me right from the start. It helps that the leads are so damn relatable. Pegg's Tim seems just the right amount of uncomfortable in his own skin, and a little bit like a lost puppy. His reaction during the doorway scene with his ex, when he admits how much he still loves her and she adopts that relieved/superior look as though she's still retained her power over him felt right on point, and made my heart ache a little for him.
Stevenson is talented and believable as the scatterbrained, yet confident, young woman attempting to hold her life together. And kudos to all involved for showcasing a talented lead actress in 1999 who didn't fit the standard-issue barbie doll mold. Not that there's anything inherently wrong with a stereotypically beautiful lead actress -- it's just refreshing to see a variety of talented folks get a chance to do their thing.
In terms of aesthetics, I've actually zero problem with the look of the show in Beginnings. The apartment, set design, and lighting have a worn-in, comfortable feel that for me offsets the awkwardness between the two leads as they get to know each other. And there's clearly a chemistry building between them. In Beginnings, I was struck by the time they spent together on the sofa, as it seemed almost "relationshippy" in a way. But that does make sense in context -- both are recently out of long-term relationships and in that shaky period when it's so difficult to be alone and so easy to fall into relationship default mode, albeit awkwardly, with someone new.
Gatherings feels like an episode that might improve upon rewatch. It moved a little too slowly for me at times during the party, but I'm new to the show, and likely missed some subtle character moments. But the exposure to the rest of the characters, and their many idiosyncrasies, was enjoyable. Everything about Brian was amazing, from Bad Sandwich, his creepy "hmmmmm" at Tim's mention that girls would be in attendance, to his heroic coat-stowing at the party. Also, his odd little dynamic with the upstairs neighbor is deeply weird, and I love it. I want to know about The Deal. Or do I? Hmmmm...
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Post by affrosponge88 on Jul 8, 2013 11:43:10 GMT -6
Just finished episodes 1 and 2. I have to agree that the look of this show is a little perplexing. It doesn't bother me while I'm watching it after a second or two, but jumping into this universe, visually, can be a strain on the eyes for two simple reasons: the lighting is extremely dim (which weirdly seems to be the case for a lot of British shows), and the show is perpetually blurry. I don't know what the artistic value is behind this decision (other than to maybe make it more dreamlike and therefore stressing the cartoon nature of the universe), but sometimes it's literally hard to watch when Daisy is in the background talking and the camera won't focus up enough to make it a clear picture, making it awkward to focus on her face. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it's weird.
As far as the episodes go. The pilot was decent, but I thought it felt too much like a pilot. When you think about it, the entire premise of the show was set-up over the course of 24 minutes. While I don't mind a show that takes its time, for a limited run British series (and a sitcom no less) I was hoping that they took care of the introductions a little faster, just so that we could get on to the more natural feel of the show.I watched the first season quite some years ago, and never felt compelled to watch the second because I didn't find the series particularly funny. While I still don't laugh out loud as much as I'd like (I think I only did once in the pilot, at the telepathic joke), I'm definitely appreciating it more this time around with a lot more pop culture consumed than before.
One thing I should mention is that whether the jokes are landing for me or not, the show is impeccably directed by Egdar Wright. The scene in the pilot where they go over their histories is just wonderful in its constant shift in tones and structures (we see photo albums, stock black and white footage, etc.). You can definitely see the seeds being planted for an auteur director finding his own voice with no problem whatsoever.
The second episode had more laughs for me, weirdly enough. There were several gags that I laughed out loud at, including Tim beating up on the Alien, or Daisy repeatedly insisting that tinfoil is what she needs to make various items. Overall, I'm mostly just looking forward to continuing on with the show and seeing if my opinion of it improves. At the very least, I like spending time with these characters in this universe, even if I'm not laughing.
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Post by captblicero on Jul 10, 2013 19:01:27 GMT -6
JanetSnakehole: In regards to Stevenson, I totally agree. It's awkward to phrase this, but she's no Jennifer Aniston -- and I love that. She looks like a regular person! And it's a great balance to strike between goofy yet intelligent and capable. It's the same with Pegg. He's indeed no David Schwimmer. So this is your first time watching the series? Affro: the blurriness is weird, but ultimately I don't care because the show is so inventive and energetic with its camera-work that it outclasses many modern HD shows because they're mundane. TV used to be watched on black and white sets and then on crappy fuzzy sets for decades. But the shows were still quality. Heck, you don't even need the picture to realize you're doing with something special -- just listen to some classic shows and you can tell it's something different, especially comedies that rely on dialogue. You don't need 2000 dollar speakers to know what good music. I think this group of people could use an iPhone and still put out great television. (But yeah I wish it wasn't so blurry/better lit....) I don't understand the problem with setting up the series in Beginnings. I mean, the only point really is that we enjoy the episodes, and I thought that one was enjoyable. Comedies are about putting characters in situations, and this was our only chance at seeing the first encounters and our two main characters uncomfortable and new with each other. Excessive set-up is boring, but they were doing a lot here, weren't they? Taking into account this was the first episode and they learned as time went on how to craft the show. Humor is so subjective, personal, and situational (you have to be ready to laugh, things can change based on your mood, etc.) that I don't feel it's my place to tell you to laugh. I just know that Spaced has a lot of crazy, specific jokes that I enjoy, and it's definitely ahead of its time. But, hey, some people don't think the Simpsons is funny.... Here's a discussion that got buried in Disqus: (Replying to Digifreak) Link. (Starts with Eric's response to my review.) Link. Link. Link.
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Post by captblicero on Jul 10, 2013 19:11:02 GMT -6
Let's continue to week 2 of Spaced!
Art:
Battles:
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Post by eric on Jul 14, 2013 18:19:59 GMT -6
"Art" is definitely the funniest episode so far. Lots of quick exchanges and callbacks. Still pretty weird, because a lot of the things referenced like performance art or womens magazines or Suzi Quatro or finding porn by railway sidings seem very specific, or at least outside of my personal experience. Also because it's kind of focused on Brian, and how passionate about his ex Vulva ("is that another womens magazine?") he is, and how hung up on his memories of their relationship. It's surprising because Brian seems so withdrawn and apathetic, but obviously he's got romantic and professional problems, just like Tim and Daisy. (Once again, the show is pretty brutal about the challenges that face the characters in getting their lives together. This ep has a funnier ending than the last one, but it's still hard to imagine an American show not having a little "Hang in there" speech. It's about adjusting my expectations as much as anything, I guess.)
One reason I liked "Art" better is because all of the fantasy sequences and all the weird, cinematic, perspective stuff fit right into the story. The performance art (Vulva's and Daisy's) allowed for them to be a little dark and weird, and maybe a little bit mean towards Pretentious Artists, but still be in the show's world. Tim's equally dark "zombie movie" was his speed-addled-daydream from playing his First Person Shooter game (this bit was a little loose but also seems ahead of it's time in portraying a gamer hallucinating that their game is real). Daisy got to have her own, much brighter, surreal sequences at her job interview, also rendered askew by drugs. All of these riffs start out a little weird or even annoying, IMO, but get funnier as they go, or as they're repeated. By the time Daisy was hearing Carnival music instead of the Interviewers, I was definitely won over.
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Post by eric on Jul 14, 2013 19:21:51 GMT -6
"Battles" feels like a watershed episode. Maybe Spaced was just working up to doing an action/war movie spoof that actually felt like it had semi-compelling stakes, so watching it one feels excited for Tim and Mike's difficult "victory" over Dwayne. But when this episode ended (with that great foreboding horror shot of Colin the Dog chewing on bamboo on Tim's bed) I wanted to jump into the next one right away. This is basically what I meant by the feeling I associate with Spaced. Turning it's endless, enthusiastic homages into riffs that make us identify with it's characters and feel excited for and with them.
I suppose the paintball game is a little rudimentary having now seen Community...or at best, it's like "For a Few Paintballs More." The tension between Tim and Mike develops so quickly, and the climax comes so quickly (after a really funny "tough talk" face-off between Tim and Dwayne) that it could fail to register or seem stilted. But the emotion of it worked just fine for me. Also, I think it fit well with Daisy's contagious happiness at being able to get a dog (following her sadness at being dumped...the contrast between her fantasy of being a classy dump-er and the reality of her tears got me, too). Even if the bits with Brian and Marsha were only OK, somehow this was an ep where it felt like everything came together at the end, in both plot and tone.
The great thing about re-watching is I feel like Tim and Daisy's slowly developing friendship makes sense. The first few episodes show them being harsh to each other at times, and kind of generally annoying (it's realistic that Tim could be a slacker and be rude to people, it's just surprising to see a main character behave that way without much levity, or without some justification that makes us always take his side). But even if it makes the build-up slower, it makes sense....Tim isn't really over being dumped, and neither he or Daisy are quite mature enough to appreciate that they've both found a perfect flatmate in the other. They're both just kind of frustrated with their lives and unwilling to fully take responsibility for it.
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Post by captblicero on Jul 14, 2013 19:34:41 GMT -6
Hey I finally got around to writing about Spaced. Art:
This show just has a lot of fun. The episode starts with a highly stylized Resident Evil parody, following the barrel of the gun. But it's not a pointless parody: Chekov's zombie comes back at the end of the episode, where Tim, acting out a dream of every video game addict, saves his friends from a sour party. The pop culture references are almost too much, but they're saved in moments like this -- it's creative storytelling, and ultimately through whatever medium that's what this is all about. Art gives us some background on Brian's character, that enigmatic introvert. Of course, it's deliberately weird, and if I knew more about the art world I would say how accurate of a satire it is (I remember reading something from some arts folk about Brian and Vulva.) The art scenes would be excessive if it weren't for Brian's character: he's so sweet and, in his own strange way, sincere. I also love how terrible the art fiends were made out to be: "Know any famous or important people?" Daisy, meanwhile, sells her plot -- she blows a job interview. Someone more interested in feminism would comment on what Daisy represented compared to the business suit feminists in that start-up magazine (post-post-modern whatever.) To the character's credit, she never came off as a cliche, she wasn't marginalized because of her gender, and she was as likely to be the butt of a joke as a male character, but nothing derogatory. She embraces being the ditzy one. I'm glad you all had this white man's take on feminism. Thank you. Art isn't my favorite episode, maybe because of how "wacky" the art scenes are, but I still love it.
-I'm loving Mike more this time around: was he pretending to ride a motorcycle around a tree in a park? -Brian has never encountered these video games. -"Subtle blend of extreme violence and lateral thinking." "What, like 'It's a Knockout?' " Brian's reply is like Tim's reply earlier in reference to his art. -Vulva is non-gender specific. -Daisy was researching Huge Fat Cocks. Just had to note this. -"Why are you in Sheffield?" "Fell asleep on the tube." "The tube doesn't go to Sheffield." "Yeah, I know. I um must have changed at King's Cross." I loved this exchange. Mike has all these odd side adventures off camera, like Kramer. -Kid Mike has a mustache. The phone ringing brings him out of his dreaming. -"Macro-biotic! Dust me CLEAN! Breath--azyler! Use it! A cleaning spray! Kne--jerk. Suck it in! Filter it out! Go on! *grabs buttcheeks*" Was the art show an advertisement for a vacuum cleaner? -"My mom's cousin went to school with Enya. Well, they were in different grades, but they had the same percussion teacher." "I hate your mum, and I hate you." -Brian sees the primal nature of Tim. -Based on some brief googling, Twiglets are a pretzel-like crispy wheat snack. They are named for their similarity to twigs (British cuisine is renowned for a reason.) -The show does this a lot, like the opening scene of the pilot: you think the rabbits at the end are a dream sequence but it turns out to be real. Oh poor Daisy....
Battles: I think we all want to make a comparison to our Paintball episodes (and if you don't, fuck you anyway), but this felt like a different beast: it was about a man getting back his balls by shooting another man in the balls. Like last episode, a video game is an entry into the heart of the episode: Tim is upset over his girlfriend, so he's drowning Lara Croft in a video game (that's a nice touch because if you played that video game it was strangely fun to drown her sometimes.) His taste for violence would be revisited later in the episode. Daisy's side plot is one of her most endearing. After being dumped by Boss Hog, she almost lets the lie about being with Tim slip to Marsha, but somehow uses that screw-up for permission to get a dog. She goes with Twist to a dog pound, and they instantly regress to childhood. This eventually leads to one of my favorite jokes in the show: the revelation that Daisy was so starved for a dog as a kid she pet a leash on a cardboard box and walked it around the neighborhood. It's endearing, hilarious, and heart-breaking. I also love it when she chases a group of stray dogs, desperately yelling, "Play with me!" The war sequences are, obviously, stellar. I think the show is like a live-action successor to the Simpsons. Matt Groening liked to talk about a "rubber-band reality" where the show, changing tones on a dime, would go deep into a certain genre or parody, but it would quickly revert at the end of a joke. You can't do this too often (stretch out the rubber-band) or go too far (break it.) It was an art working within this universe. They switch between quick-cutting, fast-paced action sequences to meandering but intelligent 21st century Clerks-ian speech so effortlessly I hardly notice the abrupt shifts sometimes. But part of that is the cast -- I love hanging out with these weirdos.
-Common Spaced switcheroo, like Brian last episode when he was imagining talking to Vulva: you think Daisy's breaking up with him, but she gets broken up with. -Brian shows up as a ... what? "You've got some paint on you," which is reminiscent of a line in Shaun of the Dead. -Being upset over his girlfriend leads to him wanting to shoot things leads to him going to paintball where he sees the guy who was with his girlfriend. Plotting! -Mike is boxing with a tree? -"They are the jungle!" -He goes to the dream sequence, doesn't see mike, calls for him, comes out of the dream sequence, doesn't see mike, calls for him.... -The duel ... the duel. -Nice detail: Mike spits up paint. -Battles is the most highly stylized episode so far, and I wonder if anyone thought it went too far. (Although Art is extreme in its own way.)
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Post by captblicero on Jul 14, 2013 19:49:38 GMT -6
Once again, the show is pretty brutal about the challenges that face the characters in getting their lives together. This ep has a funnier ending than the last one, but it's still hard to imagine an American show not having a little "Hang in there" speech
Hey, I'm an American! I think it's just my kind of humor that I don't mind the darkness or negativity. One of the things I loved about season 3 of Community was that people died. No, seriously. Community also ended on saccharine notes, and there are good reasons to do so. The Simpsons had a rule that you could do 20 minutes of acerbic, pessimistic parody but win the audience's heart back with 30 seconds at the end (the family hugging or some junk.) Anything more and it was too much, too treacly. Of course, the US has a long tradition of black comedy, but I guess it didn't make it to the sitcom world too often, but that trend declined with shows like Always Sunny.
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Post by Stephen77 on Jul 15, 2013 18:27:35 GMT -6
I went through all of this show a little over a year and a half ago and with "Battles" everything that I loved about it really came flooding back. I don't know if I have anything informative to add after Eric's and Blicero's comments, at the moment, but I'll just list some of my other favourite moments that I don't think have been mentioned yet: - A character slipping into fantasy is almost always great in this show: "And I'd do it again, I tell you! I'd do it again in an instant! AHAHAHAHA!" *jumps through window* - Tim mimicking the Evil Dead(?) poster. - The recurring gag of Tim and Mike recalling their childhood is a great one. - "When you get that feeling, it's like..." "Sexual healing." - Brian's story about the death of his dog is hilariously dark and grotesque. - Everything involving Colin. He's so cute!
I also agree with Blicero that the way the show slips in and out of genre parody is more akin to The Simpsons than Community. In that first episode or two, I thought those transitions were often pretty jarring but it seems with "Battles" the show has ironed it out. They really found their rhythm with this episode.
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Post by davethedouchebag on Jul 21, 2013 19:04:53 GMT -6
That's a really good Simpsons comparison, Stephen. The genre transitions do come and go at a very rapid pace.
I've always liked to think that Brian's dog story holds the secret to his whole character.
I really love the scene where Mike is spewing yellow paint out of his mouth.
Tim's revenge feels surprisingly cathartic here. I really like when a show can balance that with the needs of a sitcom.
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Post by Stephen77 on Jul 22, 2013 9:14:45 GMT -6
Blicero compared it to the Simpsons before I did. I was just saying I agreed with him.
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Post by eric on Jul 22, 2013 20:23:32 GMT -6
"Chaos" and "Epiphanies" are two great episodes of Spaced. Both of them demonstrate everything I love about the show.
"Chaos" may be one of the great episodes of TV. It's manic and switches modes with virtually every shot, but it all works together, to serve the story and to be funny. It's so off-kilter and disorienting, but it's just so entertaining, it feels so good to watch. I think it may have more going on in it, minute-for-minute, than almost any other episode of TV, and all of it's good. It's great even before Tim defiantly announces that he's going to get Colin back. The Star Wars themed mission, which allows each character to shine in a scenario that can't help but be interesting, hinges on a friendly connection with a security guard, and is wrapped up by the return of the Marxist Dog from the opening anecdote, is just a model of how to stuff everything you love into an episode of TV and somehow have it all fit snugly together.
"Epiphanies" isn't a letdown at all, either. It's actually funnier, and a better character episode (especially for Tim and Daisy). The opening scene with Brian in the club and "Come On Eileen" playing is hilarious by itself. While the ep feels unfocused early on (and is centered around a hyperactive, scary bike messenger), all the seeming turmoil pays off when they go to a club. It's basically the reverse of "Gatherings" as they have maybe the happiest time a group of sitcom characters is capable of. "Cafe Disco" has nothing on the glee of this ep, and it's great for showing the strengthened bonds the main characters have developed quietly over the course of s1 so far.
- The music seems crucial to the good vibes in both eps: dance remixes of music from The A Team and (I'm pretty sure) The Empire Strikes Back. - I'm still L7 on a few references, like if there's a specific reality show they're spoofing at the beginning of "Chaos" (Daisy/Jessica Stevenson's hair does look great), and what show Tim and Daisy are watching in "Epiphanies" (I'm gonna guess a soap opera?) - Tim repeats the common opinion that all the odd numbered Star Trek movies suck. I love all the TOS films, but 1 and 5 can be hard to defend except for personal, idiosyncratic reasons. But Star Trek 3 is one of the most quotable movies of all time. Seriously, it's been quoted directly (and reverently) in both the South Park movie and Scooby Doo:Mystery Inc. Sometime I'll do a list of all the cool quotes from ST3.
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Post by Stephen77 on Jul 25, 2013 18:12:17 GMT -6
I agree, Eric, that "Chaos" is great but I actually think I prefer "Epiphanies", which has to be my favourite episode of the series up to this point. The way everything comes together at the end at the dance club, with Brian getting his moment of redemption, Tim and Daisy drunkenly confessing their admiration for each other (a scene that just felt so true to life), and Mike's moment in the spotlight, is just so so pleasing for me. And I quite like the bike messenger guy. I can barely understand a damn thing he's saying but I found it hilarious when he broke into dance just listening to common household appliances.
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Post by Stephen77 on Jul 25, 2013 18:13:19 GMT -6
Also, I'm not sure if I felt this way the first time through the show, but through these first six, I feel that each episode has been better than the last.
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Post by eric on Jul 27, 2013 20:35:37 GMT -6
I recently broke into Capt. Blicero's house and stole his phone. On there, I found his comments on the episode "Chaos." ******************************************************************************************************* Spaced: "Chaos" by Capt. Blicero (posted on the AVC board here). ChaosI suppose if Battles is Modern Warfare, then this is Remedial Chaos Theory in a very loose way with the exception of the title. Tim makes the point about the entirety of Star Wars owing itself to one minor character, but Chaos hinges itself on one minor character, Colin, and a seemingly random and inconsequential event: finding jaffa cakes, which leads to Tim taking out the dog because Brian has to deal with the cakes. Tim, of course, is rather dismissive of the dog and yells at the sky for aliens to abduct him; perhaps if Brian had taken Colin out the situation would have played out differently. But I think the larger point of the episode is that despite all the references and intense stylistic diversions the story always comes back full circle and gags have real substance. The freelance vivisectionist stalking about the background is not a chance for the show to mimic a horror movie but a way for Tim to deal with Colin emotionally: he loses him, feeling guilty and terrified; Daisy blames him; then Tim takes it into his own hands and plans a great escape. This unites the whole clan, as they act out the prisoner escape from Star Wars (A New Hope) complete with the music and character names. (We also see an accusation of Leia (Daisy) liking Han (Tim), as well as Jabba liking Chewie.) The note being given by the guard himself is a brilliant twist because it ties up any loose ends about how someone found the information and why it was so easy to break-in. It's a story of a whistle-blower trying to stop a dark operation -- led by, of course, the creepy vivisectionist. As a denouement, he's brought down by the dog mentioned at the beginning of the episode: nice story-telling. -"To top it all off, her hair looks stupid all the time." -There's a reveal in the opening scene where it looks like Tim is talking to no one (the Simpsons had some great reveals in their heyday), but actually Mike is literally dressed as a bush. And they're playing hide and seek.... -The class warfare dog: class is a huge issue in the UK but before the Wall Street protests it was rarely thought about here in the US. -Tim mentions the odd-numbered Star Trek rule. He would soon know the rule.... -Another Shining reference: a Family Guy-esque cutaway. Family Guy was known for its cutaway jokes, but they were first done on the Simpsons back in like season 5 before they got sick of them and stopped doing them. -"Three good Star Wars movies later." While editing, they saw the Phantom Menace and thought it was horrible; they had to throw a joke in. -The "chaos" story of Star Wars is very interesting, but why didn't the gunner shoot? They were running low on "laser?" They didn't know droids existed (he didn't shoot because the scanner showed no life)? -Jaffa cakes are a layered treat with sponge, orange filling, and chocolate on top, typically. -Abduction, screaming at the sky -Was that red riding hood? -Mike's military skills are used once again. -Empire music at the start of the 10 pm session. -Great outfits. Mike is excited to show off his stuff, including a ski mask. Brian has a leather jacket and a beret. Twist is fashionable. She bought it today. She brought a makeup bag. Masha's just smoking in the background. -"Twist you're ... Jabba." "Is Jabba the princess?" "Yes." -Very sexy hip thrusts. "Do you fancy Chewie?" -Really nice direction in the episode like the transition from kicking in the door to the Brian's back in the security office. -"To manage or oversee. Three letters." Run!
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Post by eric on Jul 27, 2013 20:40:22 GMT -6
Here's Semi-Bored Torontonian's 2 comments on SPACED:"Chaos"************************************************************************************************** Her response to Capt: The red hood is from Don't Look Now. I could explain it to you, but it's best if you discover just how bonkers that twist is on your own. ****************************************************************************************************** Her full remarks: "Chaos" is as much a structural tour de force as "Conspiracy Theories" - with apparently random jokes like Gramsci's story (still my favorite bit on the whole show; it's like a little short movie in and of itself, with its own visual style, soundtrack and narrative beats) suddenly connecting to the main story in genuinely unexpected ways. And you've got to love those constantly wailing kittens (there are some pretty great outtakes with Pegg getting increasingly frustrated with them). "Epiphanies," like "Art" appears to be an extremely thematically specific episode: Wright and Pegg say on the commentary that they had many people tell them just how well they captured rave culture. Every time I watch it, I can tell there are probably many really well executed in-jokes which I just don't get. The party scenes don't really resonate with me, but I really like Tyres* (and the addled little world he seems to live in), and Mike's tragic story of his botched Eskimo roll. *Tyres will return in S2, and he has a little cameo in Shaun of the Dead. - All I can tell you is that Mike's Territorial Army story will have a fantastic payoff in the next episode. P.S. I may not be always able to participate, but I'm so glad you guys are discussing this show; it's such a good work of television, and made with such sophistication. People usually compare it to Community because it's so anchored in pop culture references, but I think a more interesting comparison would be to Louie, because it's made by a very small number of people and consequently feels very specific in tone and atmosphere (it also helps that's only 12 episodes). Wright directing every episode in particular gives the show an incredible coherence and sense of control which keeps the pop culture references from feeling too disjointed or too gratuitous. Also, I can't praise the soundtrack enough.
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Post by captblicero on Jul 28, 2013 2:04:06 GMT -6
Epiphanies
The episode starts with a flashback: Brian is in a pub filled with people loudly singing the last third of "Come On Eileen" by Dexys Midnight Runners. It's a song that evokes nostalgia, one from the past, and it's a near-anthem for boisterous singing-along. Alcohol is used to reduce social awkwardness and bring people together. Brian is there, still quivering, in between a loud group of men, and right as he starts to join in with the group pop-wow he knocks a drink out of someone's hand. Everything stops. The man looks at Brian. Then he punches Brian in the face.
After the opening scene, Brian recedes into the episode, which is soon taken over by the Northern Irish bike messenger Tyres. He talks in quick bursts and rants, accompanied by fast-paced dance music (I am not an aficionado of the rave/dance world, so my terminology will probably seem Grandpa-ish.) One aspect lost on American viewers is his fixation on class. Tyres is part of the working class, and he's highly patronizing to anyone not pulling his or her own weight. I thought his views on the "moochers" was particularly astute -- "I wouldn't mind so much, but you seem to be having such a shit time!"
Tyres is a literal whirlwind, and when he leaves an empty wind can be heard. Even though it's late in season 1, the group is still coming together, and Tyres, the catalyst, leads to the group of reluctant friends coming together again, working out the kinks of friendship and readying themselves for the evening. The dance club itself is marvelously shot: it's disorienting without being excessive. What's notable is how straight the club is show -- straight meaning it's not twisted to reveal character insights or to stage comedic situations, even with the delightfully fun sequence where all their names are shown on the screen like credits. It's just pure ... club.
Through the plot catalyst that is Tyres, Brian is brought to a club to confront his fears. And history repeats itself -- he knocks a drink out of someone's hand. There's a pause. You can tell that Brian is thinking about the incident from many years ago. The song itself, "Come On Eileen," is an appropriate choice. It's a dirty pop song, but it's also one steeped in memory and the past. It borrows some words from an Irish lullaby. One verse goes:
Oh I can hear that music I can hear that song Filling me with memories Of a mother's love so strong
Its melody still haunts me These many years gone by Too ra loo ra loo ral Until the day I die
The music lays a heavy imprint on the mind. Melodies of the past dredge the past itself. To Brian, the song was a haunting reminder of a night gone awry in a pub. It was still affecting him to that very day. He was visibly shaken. Its melody still haunts me ... These many years gone by ... Too ra loo ra loo ral ... Until the day I die.
Back in the club, the man looks at Brian. Then they embrace and dance joyfully. There's no meditation here or explanation. It just seems that this time instead of rage Brian encountered humanity. This is his epiphany. Who knows if it's because of Brian joining the Spaced friends? Who knows what happened before the "Come On Eileen" played in that pub? Life is opaque. And Brian, one who's wary of the public and its people, is susceptible to all of humanity's highs and lows. The episode ends with another song and in transcendence. But instead of "Come On Eileen," a dirty little drinking song, it's one of power and assurance: the theme to the TV show A-team. It's a song of triumph, as the young people have conquered the night.
"My work here is done." - Tyres
Stray thoughts and quotes: -Tyres appearance was so disorienting to me the first time I saw the episode. Thank god for subtitles. I watched it without subtitles at first and I literally understood only 20% of what he said. -Tim and Daisy pretend like they're not a couple, once again. -The musical montage with Tyres is one of the most intensive stylistic diversions the show ever did (or at least for season 1.) It was jarring the first time I saw it, and along with his heavy accent it made for a weird episode. -This is a cliche, but on Spaced the camera is a character. -Mike was on Crimewatch two weeks ago. -Those are some loud ... whipping sounds on Brian's canvas before Tim knocked. A later revelation gave more insight: "Huge." -What's that song in Tim's head when he's thinking of Amber? -It's amazing how little time there is between Daisy slamming the door and the sound of the screeching tires. -The flashbacks are so confusing. Tim is his adult age. Mike is played by a younger actor, but Mike's adult voiced is dubbed in. -Mike starts to go back into another flashback (the music starts) but Tim pulls him out. -"I'm on a special diet. I have to eat like a bird." "What, like this?" -"I had to dress up as an Israeli elderly woman once." "Did you?" "I didn't have to." -"Can I borrow your video recorder?" "What you going to do? Stick it to a canvas as a piece depicting a nation of cathode junkies, selling their imaginations for quick-fix media hits from the Blockbuster syringe?" (Pause) "No, I want to record "Ready Steady Cook." " -Never a more awkward couple than Brian and Twist. Annnnddddddddddd with that stray review we're onto the season finale! Because of how slow people are in watching the show, we're only doing one episode this week, and we'll begin season 2 after that.
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Post by eric on Jul 28, 2013 21:38:22 GMT -6
So it seems like after the first 2 episodes, basically every ep of SPACED is excellent. "Ends" wasn't quite as funny or genre-bending as 4 that proceeded it, but it's charming and relaxed and a nice episode for Daisy's character. Her bonding with Marsha and her fight and resolution with Tim are all very believable...the type of conversations where people realize things (many of them good) about their own lives without any outsize dramatic event required to prod them.
Also Brian and Twist are enjoying the beginning of a sweet, oddly matched relationship. Brian probably gets the episode's two funniest moments: The line "I see all of my ex-girlfriends. Well, not so much see as watch" and when he tries to imitate Tim's happy dance and cartwheel and can barely manage to get his feet off the ground.
As for slightly more experimental stuff, Tim and Daisy have two sets of exchanges set around what's on their TV, which seems like a pretty natural cognitive chain between real life and what they've been watching/playing (the TV's constant presence in their living space shaping how they express their emotions). One involves them watching skateboarders wipe out in tandem with an escalating series of paranoid fantasies about what Tim's ex Sarah might have to say to him. The other pairs their most serious argument over their future with punches and kicks from a Street Fighter type video game, ending with a "Daisy Steiner Wins" victory graphic imposed onto her real life self.
Mike also gets to return to the Territorial Army, so it's a (restrained) feel good ending all the way around (even Marsha gets some rare affection from her offscreen daughter). I'm impressed by what a rounded character Daisy is while having very few TV-trope type characteristics. I felt like I had to learn her personality thru little moments (like her slightly giggly hesitation before asking Marsha if Brian "left a deposit"....and how great is it that Brian and Marsha's "deal" turned out to be exactly what it sounded like, no more or less). Many sitcom characters are well meaning but often annoying, but in a big hysterical way. Daisy is so small scale her good qualities require a little bit of honest patience to see.
Tim is unusually serious/humorless in parts of this ep, I guess the result of what losing Sarah (and having the chance to regain her) has done to him. The unfinished poem that threatens to reveal a subconscious attraction to Daisy is a little cheezy for this show, but it does allow a glimpse into what forced Tim's decision not to get back together with Sarah (especially considering he can only express it to Daisy in resigned, almost bitter terms). But the last scene of them dancing together is perfect, demonstrating a fairly zen shared understanding between them that requires no specific terms.
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Post by captblicero on Jul 28, 2013 23:46:25 GMT -6
"Daisy is so small scale her good qualities require a little bit of honest patience to see." Can you expand on that? "The unfinished poem that threatens to reveal a subconscious attraction to Daisy is a little cheezy for this show" I saw it as so over-the-top and cheesy it was a joke.
Hey let's talk about Spaced: Ends, the last episode of the first season! Spaced: Ends Spaced by built by the chance encounter of Tim and Daisy and their ensuing friendship, but this was all predicated by sharing a space together in an apartment. Appropriately, the season finale is about a possible break in the dynamic pairing. Tim's ex-girlfriend calls him out of the blue and then announces that she's broken up with the evil and very tall boyfriend, giving Tim a ray of hope. This leads to friction between Daisy and Tim, as Daisy doesn't want to move out if Tim leaves and doesn't want to leave him at all -- whether or not there are romantic feelings involved. Of course, this fight culminates in an epic video game battle set to the fighting game Tekken.
And other characters are wrapping up major arcs. Mike has an appointment to be let back into the Territorial Army, and we finally see the end of the flashback scene with kid Mike and kid Tim: Mike jumps out of the tree and apparently damages his eyes. We also hear the end of another story that's been alluded to -- Mike stole a tank and tried to invade Paris, not before taking a detour to Euro-Disney. But that's all in the past: he's back in the army. Another mystery was revealed, this time involving Brian. The awkward glances between Marsha and Brian stem from an inappropriate way Brian was used to pay his rent. But, again, that's in the past -- Brian and Twist start a relationship and go out on a date to an art museum. (As for the revelation for the last character, Marsha, she uh ... smokes a cigarette.) The foundation of the series, however, was still in jeopardy, as Tim's ex-girlfriend admitting she wanted to get back together. But Tim backs out. He chooses his friends, he chooses the life of Spaced. Even though he says near the end of the episode, "Life just isn't like the movies is it? We're constantly led to believe in resolution in the establishment of the ideal status quo, and it's just not true," this is the status quo for the series. The band stayed together. There were no seismic shifts in the sitcom -- a couple people got together, normal for a comedy, and the two main characters dance into the night. But I don't care. I like the characters too much for them to disappear.
-The skateboard intro is a lot of fun and might now seem like a piece of history. For a time (I think the late 90's into the mid 00's) skateboard videos were pretty popular, from ones with ball-crushing falls to ones with Rodney Mullen. -"I see my ex girlfriends. Well not so much as see as watch...." -(Alarm blares) "What was that?" "New doorbell." -- this is a fun joke on diegetic/non-diegetic music. -"Do you believe in life after love?" "That's a song." -I'm really surprised Pegg could lift Mike like that. -One important point is that Marsha would have allowed Daisy to stay on her own. With a vision of a lonely future, this leads to Daisy finally having the motivation to write. But does this mean anything else? -What do people think of Daisy and Tim by the end? Do you view them like a potential couple? What are Tim's real feelings? And hers? -I really love the dog on the table at the end.
[About getting back with Sarah] Daisy: What do you mean, you have a "funny feeling"? Tim: I can read her like a book. Daisy: Never judge a book by it's cover. Tim: He who dares, wins. Daisy: Look before you leap. Tim: Do you believe in life after love? Daisy: That's a song. Tim: ...shit.
Tim: I just had a moment of clarity, you know, I woke up. It's like... you know when you have an orgasm on your own? [Daisy looks increasingly disgusted and uncertain during the following:] You know, you're sort of lying on the sofa watching some porn movie you bought on a drunken lonely night in Soho, and you're lying there and everything's going really great, you're getting totally turned on by these absurdly graphic images, everything seems so right, and suddenly - phht! Bingo! You wake up. And you're lying there sweating, desperately looking for the tissue which you know is still in your pocket, and the remote control which is somewhere on the floor, and it's like walking in on yourself, you know? It's just like "What're you doing?" That's how I felt tonight feeling my heart miss a beat everytime the door opened. "What the fuck are you doing?" Daisy: Well, that's... love, isn't it? Load of old wank.
I have held you in my arms a thousand times, closed my eyes and known we would always be together. I have smiled at you through all your many lies, unknowing and unthinking, that eternity would be never. As distance dulls the memory, and bitter history grows hazy, I realise my one true love, is in fact a girl called...
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Post by alittlebirdie on Jul 29, 2013 20:10:35 GMT -6
Official Birdie Liveblog of Spaced
Season 1, Episode 1: "Beginnings"
So Simon Peg is getting dumped. So the girl was drunk during the 5 years that they were together. That was weird wording. This show is improvised some, isn't it? Did that girl just give her ex-boyfriend pocket change like he was a homeless man Whaaat? That was confusing. And sad. It was all juxtaposed. Oh! I get it now! Whoa. I had to see this like 4 times to understand what just happened. I hate this soundtrack. I'm sorry, but I'm not much of a fan of the music of the 90s. Also, I'm a not a fan of the clothes of the 90s. This is going to distract me way too much while I'm watching this show. WHAT IS THAT GIRL WEARING AROUND HER NECK! She sounded like she said that she was flattened. It says on the subtitles that she is "flat hunting". Subtitles is the best thing since sliced bread. Her outfit looks horrid. The 90s, amiright. Awwwwwwwwwwwwww. Happy song montage time. The song reminded me of the Pop Eye song in Punch-Drunk Love. There are so many interesting meetings. Awwwwwwwwwwwww. She’s scary. What is it about British woman that make them so scary when they are frantic? And they all sound the same. They get a super high voice. It’s terrifying. Whoa. Those eyes are scary. Hehe. Best weapons ever. You can’t be named Bilbo without becoming a Sci-Fi nerd. Your preferred mode of transport is skateboarding. That is…. He’s a keeper. I always try to tell bongoes to wear looser fitting underwear in order to preserve our future offspring. Bongoes would probably hate me telling you guys something this personal but he’s not here. He prefers wearing a fitted black boxer-briefs thing. That’s his best underwear thing.* Which is why you received a third? What the hell does that mean? British slang, yo. I’m not sure if I like this girl. But that’s just because I hate the same sex. Everyone, if you are a girl/woman, I literally hate you. You’re welcome. Why do they have to remember every detail of their past. Is that really necessary? They are not getting interrogated by the FBI. WELL THAT WAS CREEPY! WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! That The Shining reference was very scary. Haha. I love that choice to make the image all bloody. I think it would have been better to go a little more Space Odyssey with the scene with the twins. I don’t know if that makes sense though. They look suspicious as hell. Really, lady? Do you really trust those creepers in your house or whatever? Alright then, I won’t save you when you get your genitals chopped off and stored in a vase by those two looneys. Fun fact: when I watch a British series. I tend to adapt a bit of an accent. Chaladoooo, gents! WHY ARE YOU SO JEALOUS! YOU BROKE UP WITH HIM Yeah. Tell her, Simon Pegg Ew. She’s been riding donkeys? Gross. Ugh! I hate how satisfied with knowing that he loves her. I HATE HER FACE! I WANT TO CUT HER GEN…. I want to tell her off but very nicely. WATCH OUT GIRL! DON’T GET YOUR GENITALS CUT OFF! Oh. It’s only an alien head Haha! I have to admit that was great visual joke. Daphne and Scooby. I was always Velma. That says a bit about my childhood ARE THEY GETTING HIGH! WHAT SHOW IS THIS! TRYING TO TEACH ME TO GET HIGH! IM HIGH ON LIFE, YA NERD! Oh wait. That’s a cigarette…. I’M HIGH ON LIFE Why doesn’t this guy do more comics. Those are pretty good. Ugh. Are you serious. She’s doesn’t really care for his comics. Alrighty then Naked cowboy… wait what EVERYONE IS GOING TO GET THEIR GENITALS CUT THE FUCK OFF! The comedy is this show is very British humor. I’m not sure if it’s a very good thing. British humor is interesting. It relies a lot of snarky or awkward dialogue. I used to watch a show on Sunday I think it’s called My Family. I didn’t laugh much but it was great enjoyment. I think like this show in that regards. I shall keep watching the series. Hahaahaha. In times like this I wish I was telepathic! How about you?... DAMN! That was great. Why are those two so awkward with each other. They obviously had some sort of connection or did that song-filled montage or did they deceive me! *Disclaimer: Dave: I totally told you that this review didn’t have a mention of bongoes’ genitals and I forgot about this part. Sorry!
One of my volunteer leaders asked me if I had a guardian person looking after me in school. It was a joke but you know that deep down, there's some seriousness to the joke. Thank you for scanning through this dumb post about Spaced (the post is dumb, not Spaced). Stay classy, Greendale.
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Post by eric on Jul 29, 2013 22:46:34 GMT -6
I don't mean it as a negative. The opposite, actually....that it's rare to see a female character (especially a lead) whose personality isn't so big or telegraphed that it can be broken down into a few simple characteristics. Maybe because it's unexpected from a TV show, it took me awhile to figure out what I thought of Daisy. Both she and Tim seem easygoing and a bit annoying/bitter towards each other early on, but Tim still fits a type, give or take.
I guess it's that Daisy is a little bit tentative. She doesn't put on airs or pretend to be anything, she just seems unsure of who she is. I like that we can see that uncertainty even when she's making a joke, or trying to throw a party: She's never sure even those simple acts are going to come off right. Again, it's odd to see a female sitcom lead threaten to be a non-presence at times. But it lets us kind of discover her at the same time Tim does. She's intelligent and funny and a good friend.
Some of this comes from having re-watched Spaced at the same time I watched New Girl, where the characters have quirks and broad, brassy tendencies before they get fleshed out as people. I just find it fascinating that Spaced lets us settle in to being interested in the main characters, rather than catapulting them at us. Until we get to know them, until they have time to gain some confidence and show us all their sides, they (like real people) can seem like they're not entirely there.
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Post by eric on Jul 29, 2013 22:49:57 GMT -6
Birdie said:
Those were my pretty much first thoughts when I started watching it, too. Some light culture shock. I think you should keep watching for 3 or 4 episodes and maybe (hopefully) you'll start to like the characters so much the humor will seem less odd.
And if not, you can tell the show off firmly but politely.
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Post by janetsnakehole on Aug 1, 2013 10:08:26 GMT -6
"Art" and "Battles"
Art - "Such aesthetic wonders, such vibrant times." Oh Brian, the reality was almost never as good as one remembers, my weird, wonderful dear. At this point, I could watch an entire episode of Brian in the mirror rehearsing his opening lines. Vulva represents our darkest fears that an ex actually thrives without us - urbane and successful, with adoring minions at his or her disposal. But Brian emerges from the dreaded experience stronger and more confident than before. He is a monkey man now! YOU GO, BRIAN.
-I enjoyed Tim's arc this episode. Though he spends the bulk of it high and drunk, his reactions are a nice counterbalance to Brian and Daisy's struggles. And he's sweetly supportive of both in his own way. I liked him getting increasingly shitfaced in the background during Brian's sputtering encounter with Vulva - you just knew something was about to go down. And it did. His entire hallucinatory explosion at the party was awesome. And he was endearingly sweet in his support of Daisy after her disastrous job interview.
-Daisy's interview experience teaches her that now she's got to bring her "A game" to the working world, and to life in general. Time was, you could wear a short skirt, show a bit of cleavage, and get the job! So Daisy (complete with glittery cheeks) found herself in over her head during the hilariously serious interview at FLAPS magazine. Apparently, working at FLAPS requires a grilling similar to a that of a postdoc candidate for a biocontainment level 4 research laboratory. I chuckled at "twenty to forty year old woman who doesn't say no." It was a nice send-up of condescending, infantilizing "lifestyle" magazines targeted at women. And Daisy's awkward "girl power!" was a funny reaction to feeling out of place in the midst of women who seemingly have it all together. I feel ya, girl. During the kids and husbands talk, I too zone out or blurt awkward things like "girl power!" whilst flashing a peace sign.
-It would be a shame to leave "Art" without a swipe at the snotty interviewer lady on Daisy's behalf. Those Patrick Cox's she liked were HIDEOUS. I wouldn't wear those to go scoop dog poop in the backyard! I'll defer to Tim's fashion wisdom, "I think you should burn those, because if you lose them, you might find them again."
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Battles
This episode was a ton of fun, and I've nothing substantive to add to the existing discussion. So I'll just list some impressions.
-What? There's a dog? No one told me there would be a dog! This changes everything! Disclaimer - I'm a "big dog" person (sorry, Tim) and an Alsatian "jaws slung with bloody slather, eyes lit by the fires of Hades" sounds right up my alley. But Colin is adorable and seems just weird enough to fit in seamlessly with this bunch.
-God, I love Daisy. I had to pause the episode at "Colin? That's what I called my box!" I really respect that Wright gives Daisy her fair share of screentime and story. She feels fully formed already, largely due to Stevenson's contribution. Daisy doesn't hold back or act like "one of the guys". She is loudly, obnoxiously, messily, unapologetically female. She is completely herself, comfortable in her skin, and this is super-refreshing to see.
-More "ex" drama, as Daisy fancies herself the urbane, successful glamazon, dumping Richard. Man, this show is hitting all my buttons in life right now. Also, Tim advised her to confess to Richard? Interesting.
-So Brian dressed his childhood dog in period costumes and took amusing photographs. Here, he dresses Colin after Marsha's completely creepy "he has needs." Maybe Brian uses this practice as a coping mechanism for stress and anxiety? I love that we're only four episodes into the series, and this is something to consider.
-Liked the quick cut from Daisy's 1,2,3 count to GO GO GO in the paintball match.
-Mike's "sexual healing," complete with expressive arm movements, wins the episode.
-Me during the standoff -- NO TIM, SHOOT HIM IMMEDIATELY -- don't get tricked into a gentleman's count - he wasn't "sporting" when he stole your girlfriend!
-What a great little bunch of friends. Tim saved Brian last episode, and Mike saves Tim here. POP WHAT MIKE?! POP WHAT???
-A dog, on his bed, chewing bamboo during a lightning storm? Poor Tim!
CaptBlicero: Yes, this is my first time watching the series. I'm enjoying it so far!
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Post by janetsnakehole on Aug 1, 2013 16:49:11 GMT -6
"Chaos" and "Epiphanies"
Chaos
-This is one to simply sit back and enjoy. I don't have too much to say about it, other than that the raid was great fun, in both the planning stage and execution. Mike's labeled getup is brilliant, and even Twist has a nice role in the end, alibiing the security guard with the spoils of her hard-fought makeup victory earlier in the evening. I appreciate that kind of attention to detail.
-TVDW's assertion that Spaced quickly created characters who seem like your friends is a good one. I continue to marvel at how well-formed these people are that a "sit back and enjoy" romp such as this is possible in episode five.
-I'm starting to believe that the "Barb" character on Cougar Town has to be inspired (at least in part) by Marsha.
-Gramsci is an absolutely gorgeous dog.
-Tim mutters before the fateful walk "Cmon Cujo or whatever your bloody name is." Great point from CaptBlicero above about the kidnapping serving as a way for Tim to deal with his fears regarding Colin through his guilt and subsequent action, which then draws the group closer together.
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Epiphanies - a.k.a the episode that made Janet fall in love with Spaced
-Brian outfitted as a Dexy's Midnight Runner in 1983 is the best thing I've seen all week.
-Two giggle-inducing moments which made me pause the stream were Brian's vocal inflection on "....canvas," and Brian again, with "I'm using my penis."
-I'm desperate now to learn more of Mike's backstory and apparent brushes with the law.
-PERFECT PERFECT PERFECT TV. Oh man. This is exactly what happens when a new-ish bunch of friends goes out together. You either have a great night and bond like they did or it's super awkward, boring and awful, and you crave your sofa and a good movie at home more than anything.
-I LOVE EVERYTHING about the club scene. It sucks you in and places you right there with the group, slowly stripping your pride and your defenses, and slips you under a blanket of warm, fuzzy feelings. Just like the middle of an awesome night out, you suddenly realize "shoot, I'm having a great time!" And the Tim/Daisy make-up conversation rang true. Without the pressure of the apartment, and under cover of noise and intoxication, they can safely indulge in fun talk about the future. Their conversation makes me miss my early twenties, and very little in popular culture brings about those memories. Before Sunrise is the only item that comes to mind -- that sense of unlimited possibilities.
-Mike for MVP! I liked that he began his evening on the dance floor in full uniform and by night's end, he's stripped to his hot pink body-hugging shirt, glow sticks and goggles, leading the crowd through a nifty dance routine. Wonderful. Epiphanies has a great ending shot to boot, with the four passed out together on the couch and Mike buzzing about. That they've bonded in this way so early on is remarkable, yet it feels wholly earned.
Yep, I'm in love with this show.
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